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The end of revolution

Post by Schnitzl on Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:39 am

Greetings Comrades !

I couldn´t find any topic for this discussion, so I opened one. I could publish this in-game, but this way we can discuss it more "privately"
Those who already voted see the results. The Czech Right Union party got almost ~50% of the votes and the other parties are far from this number. Aldameldo got ~23%. OK I know this isn´t the final numbers but... you think this will change so dramatically ? NO, WE LOST ! Evil or Very Mad
I have some questions/statements:
1. Why we lost ? people blame Utku Akin and his policy (he well he always sad he is a dictator, so in some ways noone can blame him)
2. Why we lost ? The person who stole the money from the eCzech people and workers
3. Why we lost ? I have nothing against Dr.Skin but I have voted for Aldameldo, still both candidates showed disrespect towards the workers, the eCitizen. They should show some sort of unity, but.... (don´t want to start a debate about who´s fault is this)
4. Why we lost ? there were time, when the government couldn´t offer workplaces, food for it´s citizen, and I think this is the biggest failure. This is against the communism/socialism ideology
5. Why we lost ? we had no "professional" army, to defend the citizen of eCzech Republic
6. Why we lost ? the war against ePoland and eSlovakia and the result we see

When everyone answers these questions honestly will know why the Czech Right Union will win. We have some weeks till the congress elections. I would suggest some changes ! 1. one major party, 2. strong leadership, 3. reorganize our political structure.

Again, please don´t take this as I would blame anyone. I simply suggest that if we continue this way, we will not only loose eCzech Republic, but also people will make fun of us pale

Thank you for your further thoughts and comments !

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Feffo on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:03 am

We don't have lost since we can impeach the President.

Point 1,4,5,6 are because of Utku.

He destroyed everything. Now we have two ways. Try to recreate everything or say it's over.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Schnitzl on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:11 am

I´m not defending Utku, but we shouldn´t only blame him, he was also elected by the people, or not ? Smile. impeach is an option, yes, but this election showed how good we can cooperate (sarcasm).
To impeach: as I sad, that could be an option, but think about the reactions. I looked throw, non of our fellow communists will win (other eCountries) Sad. People would think we are "power hungry" and want to have the power at all costs - if we make that we will loose respect.. globally !
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:19 pm

no some other points for example that we dont have a unity candidate are also Dr. Skins fault
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by mr.skin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:36 pm

Cant you come up with something else MachtGeil then to blame everything on me? It seem that you would prefer the CRU candidate then me. Is that correct?

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:43 pm

no its not

and its obvious that you are only "victorious" thanks to massive botvotes

http://www.erep.cc/elections/president?d=201010&country=34

check this it should be obvious

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by mr.skin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:44 pm

Why be such a bad looser?

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Feffo on Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:22 pm

Shit...Hope that there are no fakes in there...It is simply not impossible that 60 people voted in so less time...Better to hope or we'll lose everything.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:59 pm

mr.skin wrote:Why be such a bad looser?

i didnt start cheating so im certainly not the looser here
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by elliot on Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:40 pm

comrades, enough with the catfight and finger-pointing. the effort for an eSocialist erepublik state is not over.

from my point of view:
1. utku's policy wasn't that bad. remember the big changes that benefited the workers and the new players, like the pay raise for example. utku's policy wasn't immaculate (that's for sure), if it was we wouldn't be here. but it was a first step trying to make csr a nice country that has a lot to offer to its citizens.

now, about 3. i think that our problem is that party members aren't active. if more of the party members (i'm also talking about the members of OUR party as well) took part, think would be different. there was very little discussion about the next candidate and everyone felt like they could do whatever they want to. if skin (or anybody) had seen 50+ votes for aldameldo in our poll, he wouldn't have even considered running for prez. of course, that doesn't mean that what skin did was right.

about 4. citizens (including myself) were left without work 1st during the time with the bank crisis kai 2nd because our economy wasn't strong enough (i think that includes the time b4 the bank thing, but i'm not sure). we need a stronger public economy. our companies (communes, state-run etc) should work like parts of the same body so there's enough food and other stuff for the people. my opinion is that we should try to make an economic recovery plan. there are many comrades (like Derkk from our Party) with some interesting ideas about what we should do and how to make it work.

5,6 we should all fight to keep moravia. i think that goes without question. we should also see what we should do about northern bohemia.

all in all, i think that 1. we have to make our citizens more concerned about day-to-day issues. members of our party (and the other socialist parties) should show them the way. if parties have the same aims in this game they should be unified, since there are no differences. if there are differences and parties have different aims and policies, should try to cooperate as they are. if they choose so, all parties we'll have to fullfil their part of the deal.

2. plan a strong economy that includes strong food and war industry.

3. i think we can beat this game and make a country that we're proud to live in and that would be a nice home for new and older players.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Oktavijan on Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:04 pm

elliot, before Utku went crazy, we had over 20 companies that were working well, but when the bank was stolen he closed all companies and changed the password of all orgs, so the state couldn't offer the jobs to all citizens here.
We were left with 3 companies on Svoboda org, and that's it, we couldn't satisfy all our needs with it.
Before that we had many job offers from our food, ticket, house and weapon companies, so all citizens could find good and well paid job.
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:31 pm

indeed utku is the traitor here and should be considered as one unless he hands EVERYTHING back again
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Utku Akin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:37 pm

elliot, before Utku went crazy, we had over 20 companies that were working well

This sentence summaries the whole situation. They forgot all my efforts before i went crazy.
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Utku Akin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:51 pm

But the reason is not the bank robbery!

Main reason was your treason to me.(especially from CSP members) If you didn't give a shit to capitalist propaganda which aimed to destroy CSR and my efforts there, we'll still have stabilised economy which provides daily food and jobs for all skills to its people. If you didn't stab me from my back and collobrate with all CSR enemies (capitalists which write articles about my so called "dictatorship") , we'll have still rising economy and money.

I went crazy because i think that people in CSR didn't deserve anything due to the their behaviours against me. I'm not so retarded that to spent my 8-10 hours everyday for people who swears me everyday and collobrate with all state enemies.
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Utku Akin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:26 pm

And how many of comrades know that if i didn't intervene their multi-making progress after the decrees of state of emergency, they'll at least 200 votes in this elections?

I used to control all state companies so nobody knows the situation better than me. Anybody knows how many multi accounts they had in our state companies and milked us everyday?
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:59 pm

the reasons why we dont like you utku are the following:

the only possible opinion is your own. different opinions are always considered treason or revisionism or whatever. you arent god or perfect or whatever and there are a lot persons who have more experience than you - still you dont even listen to them.

you are acting like a kid regarding critic. there wasnt particularly much critic on you and it was kind of specific - using stalin makes us look bad for example and only strenghtens the resistance against our rule.
I agree that we need to control czech but its a lot easier if our enemies dont think we are totalitarians.
You instead of listening shut down everything raging and stuff

cheating - its pretty obvious that there are multi votes included in the current election and probably in the previous elections aswell (not that obvious though) - those acts by no means represent the will of the people but only the will of the botmaster (which may be you or Dr. Skin)

your attack on Slovakia
This will probably be our doom as you triggered the poland mpp
and i bet the slovaks are more than willing to wipe us out. (if poland allows it)
the only reason why they didnt do it yet is probably because their candidate may win and they can win much easier then

we need to focus less on propaganda and instead focusing on creating a united movement which is well organized (i could help as i already organized Communist Parties). We need to focus on what is doable in the gamemechanics instead of yelling for communism like Dr. Skin in his program. Listen to persons who know what they are talkin about and who are esocialist or ecommunist theoreticians. For example Derkk and Phoenix Quinn.

If you are willing to cooperate with all comrade and dont act like a totalitarian dickhead (which is what in fact splits the movement as not every comrade will agree to this) and if you are willing to stop the cheating then there is a hope for CSR. Otherwise not.
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Schnitzl on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:25 pm

elliot wrote:comrades, enough with the catfight and finger-pointing. the effort for an eSocialist erepublik state is not over....

Elliot got my messages true meaning (don´t want to quote his whole comment Smile). Don´t you see fellow comrades ?! Every step we make, we make fun of ourselves ! and the problem is that our enemies us it against us. If Dr. Skin cheated, at least now we give some work for the admins Very Happy. Everyone is saying: "unity, cooperation, new era, blablabla". no one is responsible, for anything, everyone done his/her job perfectly ?! then who´s fault is this ?! first we need to reform our movement ! How could be lead a country if WE socialists and communists can´t work together ?! Rolling Eyes
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Oktavijan on Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:57 am

I understand what you're trying to say, and if anyone knows what kind of effort you made to improve our companies and our economy, that is me.
And that is why I just can't believe that you threw it all away just like that just because you "went crazy"...

Yes, some people didn't show enough respect for all your effort, I can agree on that, and they hated you, etc., but what did you expect when you came to Czech Republic, what we all expected?
We surely knew that we won't be welcomed as a saviors, but as PTOers.
Anyway, we were doing great job, and in a month or two they would realize that socialism is the right way to go and stop with their meaningless criticism.
With your act, we just showed them that socialism is not the right way to go and they got every right to call us PTOers.
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by mr.skin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:40 am

Now we will rebuild it all. Donate to the Czech Socialist Republic Bank.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Schnitzl on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:13 am

COMRADES !
please STOP ! what happened, is now the past. we should all focus on our future goals ! We need some sort of economy plan to fix the high prices !
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:15 am

NO we need to BAN the cheaters from our movement.

please explain me HOW bots stand for the will of the people

EVERYONE can see it!

http://www.erep.cc/elections/president?d=201010&country=34
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Schnitzl on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:24 am

MachtGeil, I saw that Election Tracker 1 million times. As I wrote in-game: "the final word will come from the Admins. Till we receive there decision I will take you as the leader of eCzech Socialist Republic ". OK now people can tell me, I´m blind or whatever. Maybe.. but, 3 things are sure:
- if we start to rebel against each other we will only weak ourselves
- if we remove Dr. Skin, then what ? The Right Union will take the lead, and they will start a "hunt the socialists/communist" campaign
- maybe.. Dr. Skin got some useful ideas how we can fix the economy, that is 10000x times a bigger problem (prices are high, weak army, and so on..), then who is leader of a country

please don´t misunderstand me, I DON`T SUPPORT CHEATERS/HACKERS ! I only say that this must be decided by the Admins (and they can ban him or whatever)
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:30 am

i dont say we should impeach Skin - i dont think the CRU candidate will be the better choice

but we shouldnt hand anything over to Dr Skin

we should build up our own government and dont cooperate with a government that came to power only through cheating

we support democracy not cheating and without Dr Skin and the other candidates splitting our votes we would have won even without the bot votes
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Simonov on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:38 am

Whoever is the president should NOT decide by himself but we will choose what we think is best plan.

I am sick of Mannimarco's and Skin's bright economic plans without asking us and without support of people...
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by Schnitzl on Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:48 am

what Simonov sad is a bigger problem, then democracy. No matter what position someone is in, he/she should cooperate with his fellow comrades ! I think more I don´t need to tell why Smile
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by mr.skin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:18 am

You see. No one wants to cooperate. Everyone just wants power. I am trying to establish a cooperation but Aldameldo is going to work together with CRU.

Funny that he accused me of being CRU spy while he votes yes to impeachment

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:29 am

you should be impeached because you didnt win the elections in a democratic way
you cheated and the admins are too lazy to do anything (like always! we cant rely on the admins as they only care about money)

cheating should always be opposed and the way utku and you are behaving you are actually splitting the movement. you only care about your own opinion and power and not about the opinion of your fellow comrades.
you ignored the vote on the forums and put yourself up (I BET you did this together with utku because utku controls the bots and wants someone who shares his ideals of stupid totalitarism as cp)

both of you should be considered as traitors and be banned from the movement (and ingame aswell for cheating in the elections)
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by chorrito on Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:54 am

The graphics awaken real suspicions on Dr. Skin. But, still a president from CRU is thousand times worse than a cheater socialist. That's why I voted no for the impeachment.

The solution would be some sacrifices from both Dr. Skin and Aldameldo. Because, the elections have passed and we have a new situation now. And one of the primary principles of a revolutionary movement is to adapt itself to sudden situation changes.

And, Dr. Skin should also take into consideration what people say. It's obvious that without the multis, he could not win and even would be crushed by CRU, they use multis too or not... And, in public, there is an intention of dislike directed to Dr. Skin. The President should think about the reasons of that.

After some sacrifices, especially sacrificng your will to power, the Revolution can go forward.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by mr.skin on Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:38 pm

LoL. I came to office today so what have I done wrong? Tell me?
You know why people dislike me. Me to, because I won.
Everyone who wins are accused of using multies.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:38 pm

chorrito the totalitarians will never accept to loose some of their power
thats also why they are using multis
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Re: The end of revolution

Post by chorrito on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:44 pm

Skin. Are you blind or you are playing blind?
The graphics show everything. In an hour 60, in the other 40-50 minutes 30 votes repeatedly, while your total vote in 24 hours is 104. It is enough to create suspicions. Please, admit it. Noone will kick your ass for using multis because CRU used it too.

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Re: The end of revolution

Post by MachtGeil on Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:49 pm

chorrito if one botmaster for example utku or skin control all the multis - how will they be equal to the other comrades? thats the main reason why using multis is bad. they only serve one person and his personal profit and this is by no means communist.
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